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Jordan Flowers on NBC News: The Sixth UAP Release and the Need for More Data
September 18, 2026
Executive Director Jordan Flowers joins Gadi Schwartz to discuss the latest UAP files, a 1952 Air Force recording, and the need for supporting data and clearer government answers.
Jordan Flowers
Executive Director
Disclosure Foundation Executive Director Jordan Flowers joined Gadi Schwartz on NBC News to discuss the sixth release of government records on unidentified anomalous phenomena. The conversation focused on the limited context accompanying newly released videos, a historical Air Force recording, and questions surrounding a reported incident at a western military facility.
More context for scientific analysis
Schwartz opened with several videos from the latest release, including footage described as showing objects over the Middle East and recordings by law enforcement officers. He questioned why the releases provided so little information about the circumstances of the observations.
Speaking from the National Medal of Honor Museum in Arlington, Texas, Flowers called for the government to release the supporting data needed to evaluate these reports. He framed the issue around the safety of military personnel and the need to understand activity in sensitive airspace. He also called for a National Intelligence Estimate to bring a coordinated intelligence assessment to the subject.
For Flowers, releasing imagery is one part of a larger task. Scientists need context and measurements to assess what a video shows and whether reported performance can be substantiated.
A historical Air Force recording
The interview also examined an hour-long recording from 1952 featuring Air Force Captain Edward Ruppelt. Flowers credited Representative Eric Burlison's efforts to obtain the recording and described it as one of the more significant items in the release.
In Flowers's account, Ruppelt discussed approximately 800 cases, with 20 percent remaining unexplained after technical analysis. Flowers highlighted the recording's descriptions of military and technical witnesses, sightings near sensitive installations, and reported unusual flight characteristics. Those descriptions are historical reports discussed in the interview, rather than independently established measurements of the objects' capabilities.
Flowers encouraged the public to listen to the recording as a window into the government's longstanding investigation of the subject.
Questions about reported UAP luring operations
Schwartz then asked about reports that the government had attempted to attract UAP in New Mexico. Flowers pointed to materials released about a late-2025 incident at a western military facility, including an FBI interview report, an intelligence official's account, photographs, and videos. He said the Foundation believes the location may have been White Sands Missile Range; the interview did not establish that identification as confirmed.
Flowers also cited public remarks by Representative Burlison about a reportedly successful luring operation. He questioned how those accounts fit with other government statements and called for clearer answers. The discussion raised possibilities involving attraction, recovery, and government capabilities without independently verifying those claims.
The interview's central request was for a fuller public record: supporting data, scientific analysis, and information sufficient to evaluate both reported incidents and official explanations.