Jordan Flowers on The Endless Void: Reported UAP Luring Operations and the Public Record

Executive Director Jordan Flowers joined Kristin Fisher on The Endless Void to put recent reporting on alleged UAP “luring” operations into context. Fisher framed the conversation around claims by NewsNation’s Ross Coulthart that a Trump-authorized operation at White Sands, New Mexico, is using consciousness-based methods to attract UAP and then shoot them down — claims Fisher said neither she nor Flowers could independently confirm. Flowers pointed to the public PURSUE record, including an FBI 302 interview and a firsthand account from a currently serving senior intelligence official, together with on-the-record remarks from members of Congress, and said he was connecting those public statements rather than advancing a new claim of his own.

Flowers said he has a high degree of confidence that a late-2025 incident described in those materials occurred at White Sands Missile Range, while noting that other locations have been suggested and that the site has not been officially confirmed. He said he does not know whether the president directed such an operation, whether objects were downed or retrieved, or whether Skywatcher as an entity was involved. The conversation also covered the Disclosure Foundation’s FOIA work on the reported event, the gap between public AARO messaging and the implications of the congressional briefings, and the need for on-the-record answers from the White House and the Pentagon. Fisher noted that she first spoke with Flowers about the issue at the June 9, 2026, Capitol Hill press conference.